Packing list

Here is the list of things that I would take on a long journey - posibly even a RTW trip. The list is based on what I had on 1-month journey through Central Asia (Tadjikistan, Kyrgizistan, China, Pakistan and India) in 2008.
ITEM                            WEIGHT POSITION
BICYCLE                         10166
Bicycle alone.                   9600  bike
2 bottle cages with bolts.         53  bike
Rear rack with bolts.             362  bike
Computer with holder,
magnet and reciever.               35  bike
Altimeter.                         32  jersey
Lock.                              48  bike
Mirror.                            36  bike
CARRIERS                          488
Underseat bag used as
handlebar bag.                     90  bike
Main stuff sack (30 L).           156  rear rack
Stuff sack for tools.              10  tent
Stuff sack for medical kit,
spare glasses, etc.                10  stuff sack
Bungee cord for the main
stuff sack.                        70  rear rack
Spare nylon belt.                   6  tent
Spare velcro straps.                6  stuff sack
Plastic bags.                      50  stuff sack
1 l and 1.5 l plastic bottles.     90  bottle cage
TOOLS AND SPARES                  788
Flat screwdriver                   30  tool sack
Spoke key, allen keys              42  tool sack
Razor blades
(instead of a knife)                2  tool sack
Pump                               22  tool sack
Patch kit                          20  tool sack
15 mm pedal wrench
(cut in half)                      50  tool sack
8 mm, 10 mm wrench                 20  tool sack
2 tyre levers                      10  tool sack
Hypercracker                       24  tool sack
Chain tool                         40  tool sack
Bolts and nuts                      6  tool sack
Oil                                10  bike
Duct tape                          10  seatpost
3 spare spokes                     10  rear rack
2 spare tubes                     196  bike
Spare tyre                        296  rear rack
CAMPING                          1950
Tent.                             888  rear rack
Sleeping bag with
compression bag.                  972  stuff sack
Strip of bubble wrap
(sleeping pad).                    72  stuff sack
Mini flash light
(= bike taillight).                18  stuff sack

FOOD AND WATER                   2700
Water in two plastic bottles.    2500  bike
Emergency food.                   200  stuff sack
CLOTHES                          2128
Cycling cap.                       34  myself
Glasses.                           20  myself
Cycling jersey.                   160  myself
Arm warmers.                       60  myself
Cycling shorts.                   160  myself
Cycling gloves                     28  myself
Socks.                             20  myself
Shoes (crocs).                    300  myself
Wind jacket.                      166  rear rack
Rain shell jacket.                120  rear rack
Polar fleece jacket.              248  stuff sack
Long trousers.                    300  stuff sack
Rain pants.                       112  rain jacket
Underwear.                         32  stuff sack
Rain shell gloves.                 10  rain jacket
2 pars of light
fleece gloves.                     66  rain jacket
2 pair spare socks
(light + waterproof).             120  stuff sack
Nylon stockings
as leg/arm warmers.                16  jersey 
Beanie.                            34  stuff sack
Spare T-shirt.                    122  stuff sack
PHOTOGRAPHY                       316
Digital camera and battery.       228  handlebarbag
Battery charger and cable.         74  stuff sack
Card reader.                       10  stuff sack.
Bubble-wrap protection.             4  handlebarbag
PAPERWORK                         118
Passport, air tickets.             70  myself
Notebook, calendar, pencil.        38  jersey 
Photocopies of town maps
and distance card.                 10  jersey 
MISCELANEOUS                      206
Tooth brush.                        6  handlebarbag
Skin cream.                        30  handlebarbag
2 dispensable razors.              12  handlebarbag
Dish washing cloth
used as a towel.                   10  handlebarbag
Lighter.                           10  jersey 
Pen water filter.                  20  stuff sack
Spare glasses in soft case.        40  stuff sack
Medical & sewing kit.              78  stuff sack                               
TOTAL:                                  18860 g
TOTAL without bicycle, water and food:   5992 g

Top of Akbaytal pass (4655 m), Tadjikistan.


  1. Makes perfect sense to me. I have just served 22 years in the Royal Marine Commandos and my new challenge is to cycle around the world.....well perhaps Europe!! Anyway, i have read so much on what you need for cycle touring and i continually keep questioning all this equipment and weight. I have happily survived for weeks on what i was able to carry in a small daysack. Why should it be any different on a bike? Excellent piece of work - thanks for the advice and convincing me to go with my thoughts on the matter.

  2. Hi Igor,

    Well I can't believe it, there are a couple of things in my gear which are lighter than yours. I stopped using bungie straps a long time ago because they're heavy and annoying. I get on much better with a webbing luggage strap. It weighs less and holds my stuff more firmly - although I've only used it to attach tent poles to my carrier.
    I've also got a towel which I bought in the 90s which weighs only a few grams. It has no absorbency but works using surface tension. It's lighter than any chamois and because it absorbs nothing, never goes smelly. It doesn't work as well as a normal towel though. Unfortunately I've never seen another one, but you could maybe experiment with a woven nylon sheet, which is all it is.
    Thanks for a great article,

    Peter Quaife

  3. Thank you both for your comments.
    I might include another thread with other people's new great ideas - such as Peter's webbing strap and light towel - for even lighter cycling experience.

  4. Hi Igor,
    Brilliant artical! Panniers really do seem to be excessively heavy compared to other bags of the same capacity. You have saved me roughly 1.2kgs, as I have abondoned panniers for a trusty bag! Do you have any advice for fixing a bag securely to a rack? I have problems with my bag rolling from side to side whilst riding (I have a 25L pack).

  5. Hi Kez,

    I have a 30L stuff bag. I put it across the rear rack (so that it's longer side is perpendicular to the longer side of the rack). I put my tent along the stuff sack in the same manner. Then I thread a 80 cm long bungee rope through the front part of the rack, over the tent and stuff bag and secure the bungee hooks to the rear part of the rack. It's quite stable that way. I'll publish some photos of this procedure later, for now take a look at the picture in this post.

  6. you are ahead of your time. I have learned from your post, however i wonder how you get around several issues i have encountered touring.

    1 pair of shorts could lead to bad hygenie, sores????

    bug spray is a neccessity in many locales.

    how does one open wine without a corkscrew?

    having said that , I have been dropped uphill by an older man on a full suspension touring bike WITH a trailer ( lots of gear, of course). we had a good laugh over it at camp at days end

  7. Hi Ted,

    dropped uphill by a trailer? Never happened to me! Still, without the trailer he would be even faster.

    sores, yes I have them, but never thought they were caused by bad hygiene. Bugs - I'd sleep in the tent.
    Corkscrew - a friend of mine knows 3 ways to open a bottle witout it. I'd open it where I'd bought it.

    Cheers, Igor

  8. Hi Igor
    I was wondering about your current bike. It features a triple drivetrain. In the past you have managed with a double. is the triple not heavier and as you are travelling light do you need the lower more complicated gearing?

    Thanks. Jim

  9. Hi Jim,

    Yes I had road double in the past. Those were old road bikes with 635 wheels (bigger than today's road bikes) and 48/28 lowest gearing, which is 1,71 gear ratio, if you consider the difference in wheel diameter, even 1,75. I knew nothing about bikes then, but I hated every hill. With a road tripple now I have lowest gear 30/26=1,15 and I enjoy climbing, but I still struggle on very steep sections, especially if there is gravel. Today there are compact doubles. With 50/34 front and 12-29 cassette I could have the lowest 1,17 which is very similar to what I have now. But it would mean changing the crankset, shifter and possibly front mech - too much for me now. When I buy my next touring bike, I'll probably think of that.

    Cheers, Igor.

  10. Hi
    Thanks for the reply. I thought you may be off touring somewhere. I am impressed with your alternative to maps. I agree they are heavy/cumbersome and I am playing with another idea. I notice you also now use a digital camera. I have photographed the colour pages from my large motoring maps with my digital camera at a low resolution. I now have a number of maps that I can look at in fine detail by using the zoom facility on my little camera. I can store an immense amount of pages on a tiny 2GB SD card. No weight, no bulk but perfectly accessable. Have you considered this as a backup to your system?

  11. Yas, I considered photographing the maps. I had few photographs of maps on my trips to India and Central Asia. It was ment just as a backup in case I really got lost, but eventually I never used them. I think you waste too much time and battery life if you navigate looking at your camera.
    As a backup maybe, or when planning the leg for the next day, but not as a primary navigation tool.


  12. Hi
    I did not mean navigating by camera. I agree it would be tiresome. I just use it as a backup or refernce tool. My camera does last a couple of weeks with 1 battery charge if I don't use the flash. Do you not allow yourself 1 luxury item? I think I would like to take 1 of those electrical elements that you put in a cup to allow you the early morning coffee.
    Keep well. Jim

  13. I never felt the need to cook for myself, including making a coffee. Partly because I'm too lazy. Cooking for yourself might be cheaper, so if the expense is your primary concern, then I can understand it. But you still have to buy (and carry) raw food ingredients, fuel, cleaning stuff, additional water and initially the cooking equipment.
    I think there is also a feeling of "adventure" and "self-sufficiency" attached to it. I do admit I made a couple of camp fires in my time and tried to make something on it - makes you fell like a "pioneer".
    But, so far, I get by very well eating cheap meals or cold food.
    As for the luxury element, I think it's a matter of habit. Or maybe you can call it addiction. Once you stop doing something, you don't think about it and you loose interest in it. Once I was a vegetarian for 6 months. I was surprised how totally indifferent to meat I was at the end of that period.

  14. Hi Igor,

    I love your blog (and the link to the miscellaneous bicycle wisdom)! Thanks for the great work and your many real life experiments.

    Here would be my additional tips to increase comfort while reducing weight:

    1. Loose body-weight (if you have more than enough).
    2. Empty water bottles to a minimum before a long climb, if you can expect a refill along the way.
    3. Avoid anything getting soaked. Water is heavy and soaked bags are annoying.
    4. Find a travelling partner. Sharing a tent, medical kit, spares, repairkit,... has huge weight saving potential.

    My first compromise would probably be mudguards. I have cycled without them for a long time and found it a great relief to put them back on. Less sand between the teeth. Less water and dirt on stuff (impact on travelling weight?).

    Actually, I compromise travelling weight in many other ways, too, as the Balkan pictures in the blog below show (shouldn't have brought the cooking gear).

    But after reading your blog, the lowriders will go (with a lot of stuff), as will the SPD pedals/shoes.

    May the road rise with you!

  15. Hi Lukanga,

    thanks for the additional tips. I consent with the first three. As for the fourth, ... , well I sometimes find it easier to bear some more weight then another heavy character.

  16. Hi Igor
    Any reason why you have had some many bikes stolen? I notice you have the extra brake levers fitted, is that for comfort or safety, as they add weight?
    All the best. Jim

  17. Jim,

    Two bicycles were stolen when they were not locked to a solid object. The third disappeared (together with most of my stuff) in peculiar circumstances after I broke a collar bone in Tibet - I was in a bit of a shock, so I didn't took enough care for my stuff.

    Brake levers are mixed blessing. They are useful on long or steep downhill, especially on gravel, when they provide additional position to prevent fingers becoming numb from braking. They also provide a support for the front bag and they have additional brake adjusting barrel. For me it’s also too much trouble removing them (new cables, housing, removing the tape, possibly messing up the brakes).

  18. Hello Igor - I find your trips a riveting read. How do you pack your bike going to and coming from a tour ? Do you get packing materials from the airline ?

    Cheers, Rory.

  19. Hi Igor. Thanks for the site. You may have already tried this. If you buy a second chip for your camera, you can store pictures of maps and guide book pages on the second chip, and use the photo review zoom on your camera to read them. And you can save notes by writing them in the sand and taking a photograph.

  20. Rory,
    I have a recipe for packing bikes on another site:

    Ongoing, I pack it in a cadrboard box, coming back I prefer now to wrap it in a food wrapping foil.

  21. lol..good stuff, thanks. Still planning on the African tour ? I was reading some blogs from ' Tour D Afrique ' ..sounds a great place to ride.


  22. hey there, so interesting, full of great tips :)
    you lost a few days being sick from meals you bought ... do you think there is a case for a titanium stove and pot, to keep control of hygiene in some of the more wild places?

  23. I,m on a tour in Africa now (crossing into S. Africa from Botswana). Riding with crocs. No stove, not even carbon fiber one.

  24. Hi Igor

    As Jim commented you could probably loose quite a lot using a compact double. SRAM also offer up to 32T on their 10 speed cassettes if you want a low gear.

  25. Hi Johan,

    I commented on compact double already in one earlier comment and I now included a new paragraph in the "Other material tips" post (look for "NEW").

  26. Hi Igor

    Thanks - I saw you new additions/thoughts on compact and 32/34T. I run a compact with 11-28 but think a 32T will be a nice bit of insurance for very tough days.

    I've been running on 10 speed with no problems.

    Unfortunately Shimano 10 speed road derailleurs only go to 28T so means using a MTB or going to SRAM (I prefer Shimano). I'm not sure if the new 10 speed Dynasys MTB derailleurs are compatible but think not.

    Anyway enjoy reading about your adventures and learning from your experiences.

    Not sure if I go with Crocs though!

  27. I have a 105 compact with Shimano 12-25 cassette, which I exchange sometimes with Miche's 12-29 cassette, using the same derailleur, without even adjusting it. Maybe even 32T would work.

  28. How many miles do you do bike a year, Yvan from Quebec. Thanks a whole lot, thinking of doing the same next year.

  29. Hi Yvan,

    I'm doing from 3000 to 6000 km at home, plus what I do on a tour. Last year was my record, 12000 km, this year it will be 10000. This doesn't count commuting, which is additional 1500 to 2000 km.

  30. Hi well I ll be doing 16000 kms this year,I want to bike worldwide, you are amazing, in your details. My question is your mapping? you got it from

    My bike weight 12000 grs Now before it was 16000 thanks it because of you. So Long


  31. Yes, I use GPSies, which is good, follows the roads, shows altitude (although gives a bit over-estimated cumulative climbs). For accurate altitude I use Google Earth. I use also paper maps in the planning stage - I am a map lover too, just not while cycling.

  32. Thanks, What the cycling touring you have riden , that you likes the best?

    How much money, do you spend , on an average tour?

    I really likes , your card system, for roadmap,

    I hope to meet you some day, Thank for your times


  33. I always like best the latest tour.
    There's no average tour, they're all different. I spent from 10 to 40 US$ per day.

  34. Tell me about your stuffed bag, how many liter?

  35. 30 L stuff bag, weighs 160 g. Has 4 straps used to compress it, which, wheh loosened, can also be used to carry the bag as a backpack. A synilon bag would be lighter and waterproof, so no need for additional plastic bag.

  36. Hello-
    Great blog. Your trip to Leh brings back happy memories of when I was there in 1998.
    I am wondering how you fly with your bike. I've done the cardboard box before but am now thinking of a bag called the Tardis by GroundEffect in New Zealand: (

    You are an inspiration. Its been 10 years since my last tour but I will be getting on the saddle again in Morocco.

    Thanks very much,


  37. Thanks Dan.

    I'm using the usual bike box when flying out, but on my way back I wrap the bike in plastic foil: see the procedure at

  38. Hi Ivor
    I notice you have the High Peak blue tent which is selling on Amazon for £17, so I am tempted. can you tell me how it performs and what you think of it?
    Thanks. Jim
    Have a good Xmas.

  39. IMO High Peak Minilite is probaly the best tent based on price/weight/function ratio (especially the first two). There is many more to tell about this tent, but you'll have to wait untill I make a separete page "Equipment reviews" on this blog. In meanwhile, I reccommend it, it will pay off in a night or two. I'd advice against it only if you are very big person, as the entrance is a bit tight.

  40. refreshingly salient approach to the topic,esp. as a counter to the abhorrent consumerist approach that gets obsessed with brand names and model numbers of fancy gadgets-US cyclists worst offenders generally.Must disagree about one key issue-a well chosen, top quality used steel bike is comfortable cheap and v. light.

  41. Looking forward to the equipment reviews. From the tent mentioned above, it sounds like light doesn't have to be dear, not always anyway. I've used an inherited £350 mountain tent cycling in France. Small, hot, much heavier.

    Wrapping the bike in cling film food wrap for the flights is a great idea!

  42. Damn you! You've written such a great collection of sites with all the info I was actually looking for, that now I might have to do something - like actually cycle!

    I've not done huge runs yet - just 60 miles a day type rides, and even then was amazed what others brought with them.

    I commute 26 miles a day by bike, and here have found loads of ways to reduce my weight (bring a selection of clothes work once a week, keep a towel at work, know how much water I'll need). All means I can have as little as possible for the 13miles each way. I see so many guys sweating along with huge bag loads of stuff and taking towels each way each day! Tsk!

    Super light weight touring seemed to be the only way to go - but i couldn't find any other sites that felt the same way. Eventually an old post of a fixie site sent me your way.

    If I ever get off my arse and do something, it will be with you as inspiration and I'll report back with my plans!

    Thanks again and have a great 2011 ;)

  43. Hi Igor,

    Just to say that your site has been a real discovery for me. Great tips, I'm now an ultralight cycling addict.

    Charles Copeland

  44. Thank you author for this wonderful packing list for a bicycle tour....this list is going to help me in my me and my friends are also heading towards the local places nearby our home town Fairbanks...

  45. Awesome post. I'm becoming addicted myself. Found a great line of tents, Tarptent. They've got one which weighs 700g!

  46. There's alo a Gossamer tent "The One", weighs 500 g. I am tempted, but it's 350 $.

  47. Hi, great site, i've read it all in one go and have drank the info like a fine wine. You are an inspiration (to me at least and to many more I am sure) and I wish you many years of enjoyable travel. I bet if you contacted the "Gossamer Gear" people they would happily give you "the one" tent as you would be an excellent 'advert' for their gear. Best wishes from Liverpool

  48. Thanks for an excellent website

    Not using panniers sounds like a great idea. I've never used them before but was starting to think they were a necessity for a long trip

    Now, I plan to fit all my gear in a rucksack on a rack

    I don't think I'll be travelling as light as you, but I still think it'll be a simpler yet more enjoyable experience - thanks again

  49. ps Please note that no-one should ever leave a good-quality road bike unattended in London (or most urban areas in the UK) with a skinny cable lock

    I use an Abus Red Mini U-lock (£40), which weighs 900g but is small enough to tuck into my belt

  50. Hi thanks for this great site
    Ive been planning a trip from Seattle to SF on my UK road bike (Specialised) Im a bit of a light weight hiker, having been in yosemite earlier this year hiking with not a lot
    I met two english Touring bike cycling campers, in yosemite valley, man did they have A LOT of equipment, I spent a good deal of time talking to them, I was more inspried than ever to do the cycle trip, but having just got back from camping in Yosemite, with a small 40 litre backpack and less than 27lbs inc food tent and sleeping bag, cooking gear etc, I could not stop thinking about the whole load of stuff these guys were carrying on their HEAVY touring bikes
    It just did not make any sense to me at all, I was determined to do it with even less weight than when I hike

    It bothered me so much that I followed the cyclists on their USA blog and even commented "do you honestly need all that gear" I mean this is USA anything you could possibly need even new bicycle parts you can get at the next town

    But the rather curt and defensive answer I got back was a resounding "NO we need ALL this stuff, all the extra pedals bike spares tools cooking kit kitchen sink and all!!!"
    I had obviously touched a nerve

    Any way I am impressed by your site this is definitely the way I will be doing it
    Maybe not quite as light, though my tent already weighs less than 2Lbs

    I can see that I really dont need to take cooking gear, if im cycling there will be plenty of places to eat along the way

    Thanks for your site

    Sarah C (UK)

  51. inspirational tips - thank you for taking the trouble to share Igor

  52. Hi Igor,

    I like the minimalist style, looks like you have put a lot of thought into this. I notice you take a few different jackets and they add a bit of weight each- as I'm someone you has not toured yet, what's the main difference between the wind (168 seems very light for a windproof) & your thermal jacket? Do you find them both necessary for warmth? all best, John

  53. Wind jacket around 170 g and a jersey will not keep you warm below, say, 5 degrees C, or in rain. In those cases you'll need a thermal layer underneath. A light fleece or merino layer is good, and those weigh around 200 g. Include a light waterproof shell (120 g) for heavy rain and you've got a set of about 500 g for all sort of conditions. A single jacket for the same purpose is usually heavier, and you don't have the possibility of layering to adjust to all ranges of conditions.

  54. Restarant should be Restaurant. Its a French derived word. Im all for minimalism but dropping letters is taking it a bit far :)

  55. I must say I love this blog. I am looking forward to the day I can afford a CX bike and the necessary equipment to do some touring of my own.
    Already done a short tour from Malmö Sweden to East Germany, but that was on an old secondhand Mtb that was way too small for me (and it was the first time Id ridden it....) It was not very comfy in any way but I still want MORE!

  56. I absolutely love this blog. I use many of these ideas.

    In my next trip I'm thinking of using my Android smart phone to eliminate the need for: Maps, camera, guide book, cyclometer, tail light, notebook, iPod. Plus you get Internet, news, weather forecasts, GPS, e-books, music. The trick is charging the battery. I'm considering a dynohub or a solar charger.

  57. Like the idea of the android device, but you might find an older device like a Nokia E71 will suit you better, the battery life is much lover, as if the charging voltage. Can do everything you list above - though I wouldn't use either as a tail light!

    A solar charger and a couple of spare batteries will do you fine. I get a day or so with my Galaxy Note, and bought 3 extra batteries for less than £10 - though mobile batteries need using within days not weeks/months like standard recharagbles, so can't just throw some in your pack and hope they will hold, have to keep cycling them.

  58. Again, great site, thanks very much for all your advice- I recently read the story of the bloke (sorry can't remember name!) who did his round the world record setting trip- and interestingly he chose a full carbon cx bike (strapping his bags etc to it)- just wondering if you have an oppinion on the suitability of a carbon bike for your type of touring? all best John

  59. Hi John,

    I recently bought a bike with carbon fibre frame. I'm very pleased with it, it feels very comfortable and I would have no objections to use it on a RTW trip.

  60. Hi
    I note that you use bkes with a Carbon fork. There have beeen a lot of failure issues with these and I wonder if this is a concern for you? I do not trust baggage handlers not do do some unseen damage to the fork and then have to be the victim of a sudden failure on a descent.


  61. Carbon forks. I have no concern about them. I used to wrap them in bubble wrap, then cover them with electric tape as protection, but now I just don´t bother. I don´t really believe a carbon fork would break in a substantially more "sudden" way then an aluminium fork. Steel is a different story. A visual check and a "strength test" (hold the drops of the handlebar and lean on them with your full body weight) from time to time might be good for a peace of mind. A dammage to the carbon fork should be visible, probably more so then on metal forks.

  62. Hi
    I am looking at getting the BY-206 front rack for mounting on the back of my bike for some ultralight touring. Does my frame need to have rear rack mounts to accomplish this?
    Awesome blog, thanks a lot.


  63. Hi Ryley

    BY-206 can be mounted to the rear brake bolt at the top. On my bike I also have eyelets above the dropout to mount the legs of the rack, so for me it's no problem. I haven't tried that but I guess the legs could be mounted to the QR axle, or even to seat stays, maybe using some adapters. Tubus sell such addapters for their racks.

    Good luck,

  64. "A damage to the carbon fork should be visible, probably more so then on metal forks."
    That is the problem with carbon as damage is not always visible and many failures are of forks with no appearance of any damage. They are not designed to accept a sideways blow such as you they would receive from being dropped by an airport handler. Nobody in our cycling club would ever buy a secondhand carbon fork or frame for this reason.

  65. Interesting blog, thank you. You’ve rekindled my interest.

    Can’t beat the sense of freedom by travelling light. All I used was one of those plastic one-strap shoulder bags that you used to get from your local bicycle shop with their name written on it, like a kind of musette bag.

    I carried a tiny sleeping/bivy bag strapped behind the seat post along with a pair of extremely lightweight karate shoes for walking around town.

    Got caught out on El Paso de Agua Negra at about 4500 meters. Not a suitable road for a lightweight-racing bicycle. Had a space blanket that I kept from doing the London marathon and I think that saved me.

    Now I’m older, still a lean 10 stone but nowhere near as fit. Thinking of buying a quality folding bike. When I used to go I just turned up at the airport and 2 guys from British Airways would put it in a bag, mark it as fragile and promise to put it at the top of a fragile container. Never had a problem but probably not so easy these days so considering a Bike Friday folder.

    Wishing all you bicycle tourists good fortune.

  66. Hi Igor & Anonimous, I just joined this nice & intresting blog, I'm not the ultralighter, but always looking to safe some gramms here & there, I'm currently living in Tenerife & I'm agree with all Igor's comments about this place, very hard climbinbs (I'm getting old!)Talkink about folding bicycles I ordered a couple of Btompton for mi wife & myself in Ljubljana Slovenia (I'm from Trieste, Italy)they offer me better prices & good service, I'm going to collect the bikes next june, so in august I'll heading to Denmark & try out the new bikes I'll see what happens with a rucksack & a from T bag. so take it easy & keep pedalling. tony.